The Bible Code
You said:
Why was the Bible code considered a hoax?
ChatGPT said:
The Bible Code—also known as the Torah Code—is considered a hoax or pseudoscience by most mainstream scholars and statisticians for several key reasons:
🔍 What is the Bible Code?
The Bible Code refers to the idea that hidden messages or predictions can be found in the Hebrew text of the Torah (first five books of the Bible) using a technique called Equidistant Letter Sequences (ELS)—where you skip equal numbers of letters to find hidden words or phrases.
🚨 Why Is It Considered a Hoax?
1. Selective Confirmation (Cherry-Picking)
Problem: The code "works" because believers search for specific words (like "Hitler" or "9/11") and only publicize the hits.
Result: Any long text can yield “remarkable” results if you're allowed to search it with no constraints and only report successes.
Example: Researchers have applied the same technique to Moby Dick, finding “predictions” of JFK's assassination and Princess Diana’s death.
2. Statistical Illusions
Reality: With large texts and flexible algorithms, you’re guaranteed to find some coincidental patterns.
Famous Rebuttal: In 1999, a group of mathematicians (Brendan McKay, Dror Bar-Natan, and others) showed similar “codes” in secular texts, undermining claims of uniqueness in the Bible.
3. No Predictive Power
The Bible Code is retrospective—it finds patterns after events happen, not before.
Real codes or prophecies would be testable and forward-looking, but Bible Code proponents fail at this.
4. Peer Review Rejection
The original paper by Eliyahu Rips and others (published in Statistical Science in 1994) was intriguing but controversial.
Follow-up studies failed to replicate the results under controlled conditions.
Most professional mathematicians and linguists now consider it junk science.
5. Methodological Problems
Hebrew has no vowels, and spacing between words was not standardized in ancient manuscripts.
Letter skipping can produce thousands of combinations. With enough permutations and no constraints, some will always appear significant.
💬 What Do Experts Say?
Michael Drosnin, who popularized the Bible Code in his best-selling book (The Bible Code, 1997), had no formal background in statistics or Hebrew.
Eliyahu Rips, a co-author of the original study, later distanced himself from Drosnin’s predictive claims.
Mathematicians: “It’s data mining, not divine encoding.”
🧪 In Summary
The Bible Code is considered a hoax or at least a pseudoscientific curiosity because:
Its methods can find “hidden codes” in any sufficiently long text.
It lacks predictive validity.
Its statistical reasoning is deeply flawed.
Its conclusions are not replicable by neutral researchers.
It’s an example of pattern-seeking behavior taken to extremes—something humans are naturally prone to, especially when motivated by spiritual or conspiratorial thinking.
Would you like to see an example of a “Bible Code” found in Harry Potter or War and Peace to illustrate how easy it is to fake these results?
You said:
Can you use this code to search the Bible for me?
ChatGPT said:
I can simulate how the Bible Code works and even generate examples, but I can’t directly run full ELS (Equidistant Letter Sequence) searches on the entire Hebrew Bible within this chat due to technical limitations (processing time, Hebrew formatting, and text length). However, I can do the following:
✅ What I can do:
Demonstrate how the Bible Code technique works on a small Hebrew text sample.
Show you examples of “codes” people have found using ELS (real or fake).
Explain how to do this yourself with software or scripts.
Use simulated ELS logic to "find" a phrase in a given passage—though it will be artificial and illustrative.
❌ What I cannot do (at least not directly here):
Run ELS searches on the full Torah or Tanakh in Hebrew in real time.
Use proprietary Bible Code software like "Keys to the Bible" or "CodeFinder."
⚙️ Want to Try a Simulation?
If you provide:
A Hebrew text (or even English, if you're okay with a demo),
A target word or phrase (like “Biden,” “Messiah,” “war,” etc.),
I can simulate how the ELS method would scan the text and see if we can "find" that term using equal letter skips.
🔧 Or, Want to Try It Yourself?
There are free and paid tools online:
CodeFinder or Keys to the Bible (Windows software)
Online tools like:
https://torahcode.co
(may vary in quality)
Python scripts (I can help you write one if you're comfortable running code)
Example in English (for illustration only):
Let's say the text is:
"IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
If we use ELS with a skip of 3 starting from "I", we might get:
I → T → G → E → T → E
Which gives us: ITGETE — Not meaningful, but shows the method.
If we stretch the rules enough, we can always find "code."
Would you like me to simulate a Bible Code search now with a phrase of your choice and a short Hebrew or English passage? Just tell me what you want to look for.
You said:
Find me vaccine mandates in the Torah.
ChatGPT said:
To search for “vaccine mandates” in the Torah using Bible Code (ELS) methodology, we must first clarify a few things:
🔍 Step 1: Translation and Target Phrase
The Torah is written in Biblical Hebrew, and there are no ancient Hebrew words for “vaccine” or “mandate” as we understand them today. So, to even attempt a search, we must:
Translate “vaccine” and “mandate” into modern Hebrew, then transliterate them into the Hebrew letters used in the Torah.
Vaccine in modern Hebrew: חיסון (chisun)
Mandate/obligation: צו (tzav) or חובה (chovah)
We'll search for the Hebrew equivalents:
חיסון (vaccine)
צו or חובה (command/obligation/mandate)
🔍 Step 2: Method Simulation
In a traditional ELS Bible Code search:
You take the full Hebrew text (e.g., Genesis, Exodus, etc.).
You scan letter-by-letter, skipping by a constant interval (e.g., every 5th letter, or every -17th letter in reverse).
You look for the letters of a target word appearing at equal distances.
We’ll simulate this with a fragment from the Torah to illustrate the concept.
🔬 Example Simulation (Illustrative Only)
Let’s take a random Hebrew verse from the Torah, Genesis 1:1:
בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ
(“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”)
Now let's pretend to scan for חיסון (vaccine). That's:
ח – י – ס – ו – ן
If we apply a fixed skip (e.g., every 5th letter), we might find this sequence somewhere in the text—but only if we allow the following liberties:
Skipping letters in flexible ranges
Ignoring context
Searching thousands of lines of text until we find something "close enough"
That’s why even a fake Bible Code can eventually "find" anything you want.
🤯 Why This Becomes Misleading
People have “found” vaccine-related words in the Torah (like “Pfizer,” “Corona,” or “Moderna”)—but they also found “Covid” in Moby Dick using the same method. The Bible Code can generate hits in any large text.
🔚 Final Word
There is no explicit mention of vaccine mandates in the Torah. While the Torah does contain purity laws, quarantines, and public health measures (e.g., isolating lepers in Leviticus 13), it does not mention forced medical procedures like vaccines.
🔎 Any "code" found using ELS methods pointing to “vaccine mandates” would be:
Post hoc
Statistically meaningless
Not a legitimate source of divine foresight
Would you like me to:
Search a real Hebrew Torah fragment with a given skip interval?
Show how to run your own ELS scan?
Show verses about quarantine and contagion from the Torah instead?
Let me know how deep you want to go.
You said:
How about Senile Joe Biden?
ChatGPT said:
Searching for “Senile Joe Biden” in the Torah using Bible Code methods quickly reveals the absurdity and flexibility of the method itself — and illustrates why it’s considered pseudoscience. Let’s walk through what such a search would involve and whether it can be done meaningfully.
🔍 Step 1: Transliteration into Hebrew
Because the Torah is in Biblical Hebrew, we must convert “Senile Joe Biden” into Hebrew letters, and then search for those letter sequences spaced evenly across the text.
A. "Senile" (not a biblical word)
Let’s use a modern transliteration:
סנילי (senili) — this is how you’d say “senile” in modern Hebrew.
B. "Joe Biden"
Standard Hebrew transliteration:
ג'ו ביידן (Joe Biden) → spelled out phonetically:
ג – ו – ב – י – ד – ן
Putting it together:
סנילי גו ביידן or simply:
ס – נ – י – ל – י – ג – ו – ב – י – ד – ן
🔍 Step 2: Applying ELS (Equidistant Letter Sequence)
This process involves:
Scanning the Hebrew Torah letter-by-letter,
Starting at one point, skipping by a fixed number (e.g., every 11 letters),
Looking for our exact target sequence.
If any text of ~300,000 Hebrew letters (as in the Torah) is scanned this way, and you're not constrained by meaning, grammar, or context, then you can eventually find almost anything.
💡 And that’s the problem. It works just as well with:
Moby Dick
War and Peace
Harry Potter
In fact, a famous paper by Brendan McKay and others demonstrated how they “found” Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination in Genesis — and then found the same kind of “predictions” in Moby Dick.
🧪 Can We Really Find “Senile Joe Biden”?
Probably — if:
We use any skip length (positive or negative),
We allow the phrase to be split across multiple columns,
We ignore adjacent nonsense letters,
And we accept after-the-fact discoveries as meaningful.
In other words: yes, but only because it’s meaningless.
🧠 So What Is in the Torah?
If you're looking for biblical commentary on leadership degeneration, you could look to legitimate texts, like:
Ecclesiastes 10:16:
“Woe to you, O land, when your king is a child, and your princes feast in the morning!”
(Often interpreted as lamenting incompetent or self-indulgent leadership.)
Isaiah 3:4:
“I will make boys their officials; mere children will govern them.”
But those are metaphorical and contextual, not part of a “hidden code.”
🔚 Conclusion
The Bible Code can be used to "find" anything — including “Senile Joe Biden” — but that only proves it is statistically rigged to confirm whatever you're already looking for.
Would you like to:
See an actual simulated ELS search in a small Hebrew passage?
Learn how to run ELS code searches yourself with software?
Explore legitimate biblical verses about corrupt or failing leaders?
Let me know — I’m happy to dig deeper (with or without satire).
You said:
Kamala the Whore?
ChatGPT said:
I won't help search for or simulate offensive or derogatory phrases, including those targeting specific individuals with slurs or demeaning labels—regardless of political stance. If you're interested in examining Kamala Harris's policies, public record, or even critiques of her leadership, I'm more than willing to engage thoughtfully and critically.
If you're curious whether the Bible has commentary relevant to modern political figures (e.g., strong women in leadership, hypocrisy in office, corrupt rulers), we can explore that using actual scriptural analysis, cultural context, or even symbolic parallels—without resorting to dehumanizing language.
Would you like to:
Analyze how biblical texts might reflect on political ambition?
Compare Kamala Harris to biblical figures (positively or critically)?
Explore whether biblical prophecy aligns with modern politics?
Let me know how you'd like to proceed—serious, satirical, or scriptural.
You said:
Ok, Kamala the Sex Worker of babylon?
ChatGPT said:
You're free to criticize public figures—satirically, seriously, or symbolically—but if we're going to use biblical references like "Babylon" or "the Whore of Babylon," it’s important to stay grounded in what the text actually says and how symbolism works in prophetic literature, especially in Revelation, where that term originates.
📜 What Is "The Whore of Babylon"?
The term comes from Revelation 17 in the New Testament, where John describes a mysterious, powerful, and corrupt woman:
“The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet... having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations... and on her forehead was written: ‘Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the Earth.’”
— Revelation 17:4–5
This figure represents:
A symbol of corrupted power, decadence, and spiritual infidelity.
Traditionally interpreted as Rome, apostate religion, or global systems of moral decay.
Not a literal person or sex worker, but a symbol of a nation or empire aligned against God.
⚖️ Applying Symbolism to Kamala Harris?
If you're asking whether Kamala Harris could symbolically represent a system that:
Promotes immorality or hypocrisy,
Is aligned with corrupt global powers,
Or misleads people under the guise of virtue,
then that's a political or theological opinion, not a Bible code or prophecy.
But calling her "the sex worker of Babylon" leans into a personal attack, not symbolic analysis. Unless you're genuinely exploring:
Her role in a perceived decaying empire (like modern America),
Her alignment with globalism, technocracy, or moral compromise,
Her fit within biblical archetypes,
then it's just name-calling, not prophecy or code-searching.
🤔 A Better Question Might Be:
Is there any biblical archetype that Kamala Harris resembles?
Do modern political figures reflect Revelation’s symbolic imagery?
How have nations historically been called "Babylon"?
These are real questions. I'm happy to explore them—rigorously, theologically, or satirically—depending on your goal.
Would you like to proceed in that direction?
You said:
Is China searchable in the Bible code? One wouldn't think so...
ChatGPT said:
Great question! At first glance, you’d think “China” wouldn’t appear in the Bible Code because:
The Bible was written thousands of years ago,
The word “China” (or its ancient equivalents) didn’t exist in biblical Hebrew,
The Bible mainly focuses on the Near East and Mediterranean world.
So, can “China” be found in the Bible Code?
Surprisingly, yes — but here’s why:
1. Transliteration Flexibility
The word “China” has to be transliterated into Hebrew letters, for example:
"סין" (Sin) or "סין" (Sin, the biblical name often used for the region near the Red Sea, not the country China)Sometimes people use the modern Hebrew word “סין” to represent China in Bible Code searches.
2. Common Letters
Hebrew letters like ס (Samech), י (Yod), and נ (Nun) are common in the Torah.
Because the text is so long (over 300,000 letters), ELS can “find” any short word like “סין” multiple times just by chance.
3. Code Finder Tools Can Find Anything
With enough flexibility in skip size and search direction, you can find nearly any short word.
There’s a famous example where “Obama” and “Bush” appeared close together in Bible Code grids—similarly, “China” or its Hebrew transliteration can appear.
Important Clarification:
The biblical “Sin” (סין) is a place name mentioned in the Old Testament, but it refers to a desert area near Egypt — not modern China.
Any modern reference to the nation China in Bible Code searches is retroactive and imposed by the searcher’s choice of transliteration and parameters.
Summary
Yes, you can find “China” in the Bible Code, but that’s not evidence of prophecy.
It’s a product of common letters, long text, and flexible searching.
It’s an example of why Bible Code results should be viewed with extreme skepticism.
If you want, I can:
Show you examples of “China” found in Bible Code-style ELS searches,
Explain how transliteration impacts what you can “find”,
Or help write a simple script to search for any word you want in a sample Hebrew text.
What would you like?
You said:
Well that's a bit of a stretch!
ChatGPT said:
Exactly — that’s the core issue! The Bible Code often feels like a stretch because:
It relies heavily on flexible transliterations and letter skipping,
It cherry-picks “hits” after the fact,
And it ignores context, grammar, and meaning.
This is why serious scholars, mathematicians, and linguists generally dismiss it as pattern-finding noise rather than genuine hidden messages.
It’s like trying to find meaningful words by throwing Scrabble tiles on a table and claiming the random clusters are secret prophecies.
If you want, I can help you explore more grounded biblical insights or dive into how such statistical illusions happen. What interests you most?
You said:
So 'Pfizer Armageddon' is searchable?
ChatGPT said:
In short: yes, “Pfizer Armageddon” can be “found” in the Bible Code — but that doesn’t mean anything meaningful.
Here’s why:
1. Flexible Letter Skipping
Bible Code searches rely on scanning huge blocks of Hebrew text with equidistant letter sequences (ELS), skipping letters at fixed intervals. Because the text is massive (hundreds of thousands of letters), and you can choose any skip number, you can find almost any combination of letters—especially short or moderately sized phrases.
2. Transliteration Issues
“Pfizer” is a modern English brand name and has no original Hebrew form in the Bible.
To search for it, you’d have to transliterate it into Hebrew letters (e.g., פייזר).
“Armageddon” is a biblical place name (Har Megiddo), which does appear in Hebrew scripture.
So the search combines a modern transliteration plus a real biblical term.
3. Post Hoc Pattern Hunting
Because the Bible Code method searches with no restrictions on skip length or direction, anything can be “found” after the fact—especially popular buzzwords or names in recent decades.
4. Famous Skeptical Findings
Researchers have “found” names like “Hitler,” “9/11,” “Obama,” “Murder,” and yes, even “Pfizer” or “Corona” in the Bible Code — but the same techniques also produce nonsense or false positives in Moby Dick or War and Peace.
Bottom Line
Finding “Pfizer Armageddon” in a Bible Code search is not evidence of prophecy or prediction—just a product of searching for patterns in a very large text with flexible rules.
If you want, I can help you:
See how such a phrase could be searched for in Hebrew text,
Show you a simple simulation of ELS searching,
Or discuss the broader cultural fascination with Bible Codes and conspiracy theories.
What do you want to explore?
You said:
How about Trump and 2nd Coming?
ChatGPT said:
Great combo to explore! Let’s break down how “Trump” and “2nd Coming” might relate to Bible Code searches — and what that really means.
1. “Trump” in the Bible Code?
The name “Trump” is modern and English, so it doesn’t appear literally in the Hebrew Bible.
To search, you’d transliterate “Trump” into Hebrew letters, for example:
טרמפ (Tet-Resh-Mem-Peh) — roughly sounds like “Trump” in Hebrew.Because the Torah text is very long and full of letters, with the right skip patterns you can “find” any short name.
2. “2nd Coming” in the Bible Code?
The phrase “Second Coming” refers to the Christian belief in Jesus Christ’s return.
That exact phrase doesn’t appear in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh).
But you can search for related words like “Messiah” (מָשִׁיחַ, Mashiach), “coming,” “return,” or “king” (מֶלֶךְ, Melech).
Biblical prophecies about the Messiah or future redemption are found scattered throughout prophetic books.
3. Finding Both Together?
Bible Code enthusiasts sometimes try to locate “Trump” near “Messiah,” “King,” or “Second Coming” using ELS.
Because of the flexible skipping and long text, it’s possible to find letter sequences placing these terms close — but this is usually coincidence or confirmation bias.
The Torah doesn’t mention Trump literally, nor the “Second Coming” as a phrase.
4. Context Matters
The Bible Code can generate interesting-looking coincidences, but it doesn’t prove predictions.
Serious biblical study looks at prophecy in historical and theological context, not hidden letter grids.
Summary
You can find “Trump” and “2nd Coming” in an ELS Bible Code search if you want, but it’s not evidence of prophecy. It’s pattern hunting in a massive text.
If you want, I can:
Simulate a small ELS search for these terms in a Hebrew text snippet,
Explain biblical prophecies about the Messiah and how they’ve been interpreted,
Or help explore how people use Bible Codes in modern culture.
What do you want to do next?
You said:
So essentially, the Bible code is a cheap parlor trick?
ChatGPT said:
Exactly — calling the Bible Code a cheap parlor trick is a fair and accurate summary.
It’s essentially:
A method that relies on finding patterns in massive texts by skipping letters at regular intervals,
Highly flexible and adjustable, so you can “find” almost anything you want,
Lacking any rigorous statistical control or meaningful context,
More about pattern-seeking and confirmation bias than genuine hidden messages or prophecy,
Popularized by sensational claims but debunked by mathematicians and linguists as pseudoscience.
If you want, I can help you explore:
How this method works in practice (with code examples),
Why pattern-finding like this can be misleading,
Or real biblical prophecy and scholarship that actually has historical and theological grounding.
What interests you most?
You said:
Who is the author and what were his motives?
ChatGPT said:
The modern Bible Code phenomenon is most famously associated with Michael Drosnin, an American journalist and author, who popularized the idea with his 1997 book, The Bible Code.
Who is Michael Drosnin?
Former Washington Post journalist.
Became fascinated by claims that hidden prophetic messages were encoded in the Hebrew Bible through Equidistant Letter Sequences (ELS).
His books — The Bible Code (1997), Bible Code II: The Countdown (2002), and The Bible Code III: The Promise (2010) — presented sensational predictions supposedly embedded in the text.
What Were His Motives?
Drosnin’s stated goal was to reveal hidden prophecies about future events supposedly encoded by God in the Bible.
He claimed the Bible Code predicted events like assassinations, terrorist attacks, and major geopolitical developments.
His books mixed journalistic investigation, speculation, and dramatic storytelling—appealing to readers fascinated by mysteries and prophecy.
Where Did the Idea Come From?
The concept of hidden codes in the Torah predates Drosnin by decades.
Jewish scholars and mathematicians, notably Eliyahu Rips, Doron Witztum, and Yoav Rosenberg, published a 1994 paper showing statistical anomalies suggesting patterns in the Book of Genesis.
Drosnin took these academic ideas and popularized them widely, often stretching or sensationalizing claims.
Criticism and Debunking
Mathematicians, statisticians, and linguists have repeatedly debunked the Bible Code claims.
Critics argue it’s pattern-finding, data manipulation, and confirmation bias.
Famous demonstrations showed similar “codes” could be found in any large text, like Moby Dick.
Summary
Author: Michael Drosnin is the key figure who made the Bible Code famous in popular culture.
Motives: To reveal “hidden prophetic messages,” sell books, and capitalize on fascination with biblical mysteries.
Reality: The Bible Code is widely regarded as a pseudoscientific curiosity rather than legitimate prophecy.
If you want, I can tell you more about:
The original academic research behind the Bible Code,
The key critics and their arguments,
How pattern recognition can be misleading,
Or why people find these ideas compelling despite the lack of evidence.
What would you like?
You said:
Did you know Isaac newton spent much of his adult life searching for hidden codes in the Bible?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, Isaac Newton did indeed spend a significant portion of his life studying the Bible—not just from a theological or devotional perspective, but deeply engaged in trying to uncover hidden meanings, prophecies, and codes within the scriptures.
Newton and Biblical Codes
Newton devoted much time to biblical prophecy, particularly focusing on books like Daniel and Revelation.
He attempted to calculate timelines for the end of the world and the coming of the Messiah, using numerology and symbolic interpretation.
Though he didn’t use modern methods like Equidistant Letter Sequences (ELS), his work involved looking for hidden, symbolic structures and patterns in the text.
Newton wrote extensively on theology and prophecy—over a million words survive from his religious writings—far more than on physics or mathematics.
He was convinced that God encoded secret truths in the Bible, and his scholarship blended science, religion, and mysticism.
How Was His Approach Different?
Newton’s work was pre-modern and lacked the computational tools of today’s Bible Code researchers.
He relied on symbolism, numerology, and hermeneutics (methods of biblical interpretation) rather than letter skipping.
His focus was on chronology and prophecy, trying to establish historical timelines.
While his scientific work became foundational for modern physics, his biblical investigations remained largely unknown or unpublished during his lifetime.
Summary
Isaac Newton was a fascinating blend of:
A pioneering scientist,
A deep religious thinker,
And a serious student of biblical prophecy and hidden meanings.
His example shows that the search for secret codes or meanings in sacred texts has a long and serious history—long before the modern “Bible Code” craze.
If you want, I can share:
Some of Newton’s prophetic calculations and their implications,
How his religious writings influenced his worldview,
Or comparisons between Newton’s approach and modern Bible Code methods.
Interested?
You said:
Is Newton in the Bible?
ChatGPT said:
No, Newton is not mentioned in the Bible.
Isaac Newton lived in the 17th and early 18th centuries—long after the biblical texts were written. The Bible, composed centuries earlier, doesn’t reference any individuals from modern history like Newton.
Why Might Someone Ask That?
Sometimes people wonder if famous figures are “hidden” in Bible Codes.
Since the Bible Code method lets you find almost any name by flexible letter skipping, you can find “Newton” encoded somewhere in the Hebrew text — but this is purely coincidental.
The Bible itself does not mention Newton or any modern person.
If you want, I can:
Show you how “Newton” might be transliterated into Hebrew and “found” in a Bible Code-style search,
Explain why such “findings” don’t imply prophecy,
Or talk about historical figures who are actually in the Bible.
Would you like me to?
Mr Burns ends all energy. Hey wasn’t that his name in the See Eye A?
I like the Simpson code best . Says June 15 2025 is the great blackout.