Can you look at an IR scan of water and explain the main twisting and bending modes of water referencing the graph as well as explain the 'fingerprint' signature of water?
ChatGPT said:
This IR (Infrared) spectrum shows two different samples of water: normal water (blue curve) and structured water (red curve). Let's walk through the IR absorption bands of water and interpret the graph in terms of vibrational modes and the "fingerprint" region.
🔬 Fundamentals of IR Spectroscopy in Water
Water (H₂O) has three fundamental vibrational modes:
Symmetric stretching (~3650 cm⁻¹)
Both O–H bonds stretch in phase (same direction).Asymmetric stretching (~3750 cm⁻¹)
One O–H bond stretches while the other compresses.Bending (or scissoring) (~1600 cm⁻¹)
The H–O–H angle changes; hydrogen atoms move in opposite directions like scissors.
📈 Interpreting the Graph
🔵 Normal Water (Blue Curve)
~1600 cm⁻¹: Strong absorption — this is the H–O–H bending mode.
~3000–3700 cm⁻¹: Broad absorption — this is a convolution of the symmetric and asymmetric O–H stretching modes, heavily broadened due to hydrogen bonding in liquid water.
<1000 cm⁻¹: A gradual downward slope with features — this region is often messy due to lattice or librational modes in liquid systems and overtones/combination bands.
🔴 Structured Water (Red Curve)
The spectrum is drastically different:
Much more defined peaks rather than broad absorptions.
Peaks around:
1600 cm⁻¹: Bending mode is still present.
2000–2500 cm⁻¹: Additional peaks not present in normal water — could be combination bands or indicative of changes in hydrogen bonding.
3200–3700 cm⁻¹: Sharper peaks replace the broad O–H stretch, indicating less hydrogen bonding and potentially more ordered molecular arrangements.
<1000 cm⁻¹: Still low absorption, though a small peak near ~400–500 cm⁻¹ may indicate restricted librational motion.
🧬 The "Fingerprint Region"
In IR spectroscopy, the "fingerprint region" is usually 500–1500 cm⁻¹. For water:
It includes low-energy bending or librational motions.
In normal water, this region is messy and featureless due to broad hydrogen-bonded interactions.
In structured water, there is less noise and more defined structure, suggesting that molecular interactions are more regular or crystalline-like.
🧪 What Does This All Mean?
Normal water is dominated by strong hydrogen bonding, which smears out vibrational modes into broad bands, especially in the O–H stretching region.
Structured water shows:
Sharper peaks in the O–H stretching and bending regions.
A less disordered hydrogen bonding network.
Possibly clustered or hexagonal forms, which have been proposed in certain structured water theories (e.g., Gerald Pollack's "EZ water").
⚠️ Caution on Interpretation
Water's IR spectrum is extremely sensitive to temperature, pressure, and contaminants.
Claims around "structured water" must be validated carefully, as sharper peaks could also result from freezing, crystallization, or interaction with solutes/surfaces.
Some structured water studies reference phase transitions or quasi-crystalline arrangements, which are not universally accepted in mainstream physical chemistry.
Would you like me to do a band-by-band breakdown for both samples or estimate relative hydrogen bonding strength based on peak width and shape?
You said:
So what are the three distinct bumps (smooth curves) between 500-1500 cm⁻¹?
ChatGPT said:
Great question. Let's zero in on the 500–1500 cm⁻¹ region of the IR spectrum — often referred to as the “fingerprint region.” This range is particularly interesting because it reflects low-frequency vibrational modes associated with internal bending, libration, and collective molecular motions. In water, this region is usually complex due to hydrogen bonding and interactions among water molecules.
Looking at your graph (focusing especially on the normal water trace in blue), there are three distinct smooth humps or bumps within this region. Here's what they likely correspond to:
🔍 Interpreting the 500–1500 cm⁻¹ Region
1. ~600–700 cm⁻¹ (First bump)
Vibration: Librational mode (rocking or twisting)
Explanation: This is due to hindered rotational (torsional) motion of the water molecule — think of it as the water molecule trying to rotate but being “stiff-armed” by hydrogen bonding to other water molecules.
Name: Often referred to as “rocking” or “libration” mode.
2. ~800–900 cm⁻¹ (Second bump)
Vibration: Wagging/twisting motion of the hydrogen atoms.
Explanation: These are internal angular deformations involving out-of-plane bending. Still restrained by intermolecular interactions.
Name: Sometimes described as part of the librational complex or angular wag.
3. ~1200–1300 cm⁻¹ (Third bump)
Vibration: Possibly a combination band or bending overtone
Explanation: This region can include a mix of second-order transitions, such as overtones or combinations of bending + libration.
Name: Often part of a combination or “shoulder” preceding the main H–O–H bending mode (~1600 cm⁻¹).
🧊 In Structured Water (Red Line)
In the structured water spectrum, those three humps are nearly absent or sharply reduced, suggesting:
Reduced molecular disorder
Less dynamic hydrogen bonding
Possibly a more crystalline or layered structure (depending on how “structured” was defined)
This supports the idea that structured water has more restricted or coherent motion, dampening those low-frequency modes.
📌 Summary of the 500–1500 cm⁻¹ Bumps
Approx. Wavenumber (cm⁻¹)Mode TypeLikely MotionNormal Water (Blue)Structured Water (Red)~600–700LibrationalRocking/TwistingProminent bumpVery weak~800–900Twisting/WagAngular deformationSmooth humpWeak or gone~1200–1300CombinationBending overtone/mixedSubtle shoulderNearly absent
Hi Timothy,
is there a connection between structured water and H3O2 ?
https://www.mandarinwater.com/en/science/h3o2
https://www.umh.at/pdf/Prof_Pollack_Energetisiertes_Wasser.pdf
BR